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Flashman...a Fake?
I have been going over to flash's journal and leaving comments for the last 3 years...over 1,000 people have left comments....then someone asked if it was really true...and I replied with this..

I think if it was a fraud...it would have been exposed by now...nearly
2 years after the fact.


Someone replied to my response by saying that Flashman was the invention of another user, who was basking in the glow of the thousand comments and sympathy. And that this was a slap in the face of those that really died that day.

Well I still dont know what is the truth, but when I went to try and reply to this comment on flash's journal, The journal has been deleted.

GRRRRRRR if this is fake, what a slap in the face to all the nice people who left heart felt sympathies on his journal. Ugh. I just feel sick. I always had some suspicion about this because, I would never find 'flashman's real names listed in any list of the missing or the dead..

Ugh. If this message is inappropiate let me know, but now that flash's journal is deleted, and with this new found information..blah

Edited to add:

New information by one of the tech admins that ran the CBB board that rhyein and flash were on, as well as others.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/bubba_ray/37574.html

Mood: disappointed

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superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 07:22 am (UTC) (Link)
Like I said..I want to believe that flash was real...I almost have to believe him, just for the sake of all those hundreds of kind people that left kind heartfelt words for him...

But now with his journal being deleted...and me never ever finding his names anyone on the missing/killed list :-(

Then I begin to wonder, for those that were really close to flashman..I wonder if they know that he wasnt real...or if they were involved with this?

I dont know anymore.
caramelstars From: caramelstars Date: September 15th, 2003 07:46 am (UTC) (Link)

woaaah

I really don't know what to say. I really do hope it wasn't a fake, that would just be beyond words.

superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 07:50 am (UTC) (Link)
I know..me too for the sake of everyone..

I hope the person making this up is strung up blah.!
poetpaladin From: poetpaladin Date: September 15th, 2003 07:57 am (UTC) (Link)
The LiveJournal staff would not delete the journal unless asked to by the deceased's relatives.

That means either that happened, or someone with access deleted it.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 09:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Thats what I am talking about, it was my understanding that one of flash's friends had control of the website.

This is all very strange and sad.
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tupelo From: tupelo Date: September 15th, 2003 02:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

The Flashman situation

Hi Otto,

I am the lj user who sent you the email, so I suppose I should comment here. I was going to wait and let the moderator of this forum decide what she wanted to do, but I haven't heard from her yet and would rather comment than allow rumors to fly.

I found out about flashman's journal in the week following 9/11. I commented there, posted my own tribute and link in my journal and shed a tear or two for what I thought was a selfless act that cost a young man his life.

The next year, as the anniversary approached, I watched the lists for his name. It was never there. It seemed odd that someone who died in such a heroic fashion got less notice than those who died in ways that were not as valiant. His story cried out to be memorialized -- surely some reporter somewhere would grab it? No, he was never mentioned.

I emailed rhyein, the "friend" who was keeping his journal, to ask why he was never listed in the memorials. Her response was brusque, stating that his family didn't mind so why did I care? That made me suspicious, and that's when I started investigating. Here are some of the facts I found:

*I called the college he supposedly attended. They had no record of a student named Anthony Joseph Pereira and no record of any students dying heroically in the towers.

*Anthony Joseph Pereira is the real name of Joe Perry of Aerosmith -- a favorite band of rhyein's.

*flashman consistently misspells Manhattan as "Manhatten," just like rhyein...though he supposedly lives there.

*rhyein answered one query on the journal as to why flashman wasn't listed in the memorials by stating that because he died at a hospital later and not actually in the towers, he was not listed. So that means EVERYONE listed died right there on the spot? NO ONE was transported to hospitals and died later?

*Somehow rhyein had confirmation that flashman was dead the day of the tragedy...but he was "last seen running into the towers" and he "died when they fell on him." How was his body recovered so quickly from under all those tons of rubble? And after the WTC fell on him, he lived to make it to the hospital? Amazing...and unbelievable.

*In flashman's journal, he states he is 5'9 and weighs 98 lbs. This is practically impossible!

*flashman was supposedly Italian, but rhyein misses his "British accent."

So, anyway, the whole thing stinks like a kettle of day old fish...and if you'll note in rhyein's post about why she deleted the journal, she says it's because "Flash's journal is getting flamed and harrassed" and it is a "milestone"(sic) around her neck and she needs to move on. The truth is, she deleted it when I posted comments like the one I posted to you and sent her an email requesting that she post a public apology in flashman's journal to all of the people who grieved for someone who didn't exist. She has not replied to my email...and she's still posting about flashman as if he were real.

So yeah, it sucks that we all were made to feel pain for the loss of someone who never existed...and I don't know how she can look in the mirror and be okay with herself...but somehow she's still playing it out.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: The Flashman situation

Yeah, I always kinda had suspicions when I couldnt find Anthony Perria(sp), in the lists of casualties.

But I never said anything because, i mean come on, who would want to be the first one?
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From: (Anonymous) Date: September 15th, 2003 08:39 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *sigh*

Shut up, idiot. Why do you care? Are you involved in any of this? NO. You're here because someone posted it on bring_it.
yeec From: yeec Date: September 15th, 2003 06:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not saying whether anyone is lying here. But I'm very disappointed by the fact that some of you guys are fighting against each other on this painful true-or-false matter. It's sad enough to see our friends and people dying in the disaster. 9/11 is certainly a day that we can never forget. Why don't we stop arguing and let the dead to be resting in peace?
From: knosos Date: September 15th, 2003 06:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't see anyone arguing on this page...unless you have a very broad definition of arguing.
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rhyein From: rhyein Date: September 15th, 2003 07:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I deleted Flash's journal for a number of reasons. If you'd gone to my journal, you would have seen the reasons why.

1. I'm tired of being harrassed on LJ, on IM, and through Email by a number of people, either people who are convinced that I made him up, or by Islamic extremists/sympathetics that believe he deserved to die.

2. It's been 2 years now and I have been having to deal with wanting to cry every time I open my email to find a new comment by for him. Maintaining the journal has not helped my grief, but only made it worse.

The last comments made about him being fake were the "last straw" so to speak.

As for his name not being on the list... I don't know why that is. I've never known why that is, but his mother decided not to push it, so I didn't push it.

If you can pass this info along to your friends, that's fine with me, so long as people quit thinking I'm a liar.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 07:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not to be rude, but the casuality lists are usually put out regardless if the mother 'wanted to push it'

Isnt this true? If I am mistaken please let me know
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mariye From: mariye Date: September 15th, 2003 07:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I knew this man.

I talked to him.

He was a friend.

And I talked to him the day before he died.

I can't believe you would want to bring up and tarnish his legacy in such a stupid manner, causing his best friend and other friends such grief.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 07:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
I dont think he is intentionally trying to stir up trouble, I just think he wants to know the truth, as do many.

He is not the only one that questioned why Anthony was never on ANY casualty list. Usually the local govt puts theses lists out, they dont usually need permission from the parents to say wether someone died or not, I believe that is public record
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7rin From: 7rin Date: September 15th, 2003 08:41 pm (UTC) (Link)

For the record:

This thread will not be pulled by me. I have only one reason for this, I too would like to know the truth of this. I got an email (from tupelo?) mentioning this a while ago. I to just quietly delete reference to Flash in here and leave it at that until I'd looked into it things further. This thread kinda kick-started a reply, in much the same way as Sept 11th meant I couldn't "quietly" pull said references just yet. *wry g*

I would also like to know because the poetry site that the user info. points to is the first serious site I put together... it'd kind hurt to know it was based on a lie - but be a Good Thing too 'cause it'd mean one less person's died. :)

So yes, if anyone has any convincing evidence either way, I'd appreciate knowing. If it's real, then the evidence presented in here can be used for future reference when this question gets asked elsewhere... and if it is fake, well it served a purpose and gave people in LJ a rallying point when no-one knew wtf was happening in the world.
tupelo From: tupelo Date: September 15th, 2003 09:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thanks, Trin

...and I'm sorry for littering up your community this way. I felt like I needed to answer the post since my questions had led to flashman's journal being deleted. I didn't want to leave folks in the dark. I would also like to state that I told rhyein yesterday that if she would reinstate Flash's journal and use it to post an explanation and apology, I wouldn't go public like this. She chose not to do that.

I honestly didn't believe people would put up such a fuss when confronted with the evidence or lack thereof, but my inbox this evening is a glowing testament to emotion over reason. I guess after a certain amount of chummy IMs and online chat, you forget that you don't actually know the person with whom you're talking. People are swearing to Flashman's existence with nothing more to go on than some saved IMs and chatroom logs.

I echo your sentiments above as well...this is a nasty bit of business but at least we can dry our eyes over Anthony Joseph Pereira. He's alive, well, and still playing guitar for Aerosmith...and, hey -- I hear he had a birthday last week!
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 15th, 2003 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

*innocent whistle*

http://web.archive.org/web/20010920005716/http://www.livejournal.com/users/flashman
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 15th, 2003 11:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, someone posted it on community info for otf_wank on www.journalfen.net (http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/info)otf_wank (http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/) as well.

The word is spreading. Ooooh.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 15th, 2003 11:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Very, VERY revealing entries if I dont say so myself...

This one caught my eye..

She also claimed that Flashman was the nephew of Joe Perry himself

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chelchik From: chelchik Date: September 16th, 2003 01:26 am (UTC) (Link)
The Social Security Death Index doesn't have a listing for a Anthony J Pereira or anyone with the first intial A and same last name, with his birthdate...or even close to the year of his birth.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 16th, 2003 07:13 am (UTC) (Link)
So that pretty much proves, that he was a fake?

Can we let this issue drop now? And move on to the real heros of 9/11?
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 16th, 2003 08:29 am (UTC) (Link)
I'd like to point out that the journal existed far before the 9/11 incident.

I'm not saying it's real, but it didn't just pop up on 9/11.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 16th, 2003 08:33 am (UTC) (Link)
I wasnt saying that it didnt.

But since the journal was deleted, we cant really tell anymore
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bubba_ray From: bubba_ray Date: September 16th, 2003 08:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I am going to say this once:

Flashman was no fraud.

Thanks for listening.

I knew him from way before 9/11 and while I wont sugarcoat the fact that he and me never got along at the best of times and that I am quite sure he despised me at the worst of it he sure as hell was a real person that died two years ago.

So get this straight, Flash did exist, he interacted on webboards with people a long time before the WTC Tragedy, I was technical Admin on one of these and I am pretty sure I can dig up proof that both he and Rhyein did exist as seperate people on these board. From my longtime personal dealings with both I assure you that Rhyein and Flash as their chosen names were radically different people in their characteristics.

In short, I cannot tell you what you chose to believe, I can only give you the facts that I know which clearly say that Rhyein and Flash posted from different places in the US three years back, and I can give you my word that I spoke with both and they were different persons that made appearances a long time before the 9/11.

Chose whatever you want to believe, but truts is that Flash was a real person that died two years ago.
From: knosos Date: September 16th, 2003 09:02 am (UTC) (Link)
You know he existed because you interacted with him on webboards. Oh. Well clearly he's a real person then.
gaias_umbra From: gaias_umbra Date: September 16th, 2003 08:46 am (UTC) (Link)
Just a point...


Who is this person making these accusations toward Rhye? Do any of YOU know them personally? I don't. And I'm certainly not going to just take the word of some stranger that someone I've known for quite some time now is guilty of such heinous charges. That so many are choosing to see her as guilty before even being given an opportunity to proclaim her innocence?



Looking up information online is not the only way to research the truth of any given situation, and it certainly is not the most reliable. If you people want to have a witchhunt...then call it a witchhunt. If you want to know the full out truth on this matter...then hire a professional. This method so obviously isn't working for you.
superdeluxe From: superdeluxe Date: September 16th, 2003 08:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Its not a witch hunt

Death certificates ARE PUBLIC record.

Anyone can find out if anthony pereira really existed or not.

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